Lemmings music problem

[Mr.Smiley4]

Ok, today I dug out Lemmings because I havent played it in years and decided to play it. I have DOS Box .70, and I select all the right sound card options, but every time the music needs to loop it freezes the game for 10 - 30 seconds. Or it starts the next level's music, then freezes, then starts the current level's music again. I have a CD version that comes with Lemmings & Oh no! More Lemmings, but it's not the Limited Edition version. It's on a disk with a bunch of other crap that are cheap knockoffs of better stuff. Here's a screen of it (I know part of it is cut off, but there's nothing important there):



Here are the choices it gives me:


(All end up with the same choices on the right side)

Both PC Internal Speaker and Adlib have the freeze effect, and when I select Tandy it crashes DOS Box no mater what I pick. Please, help me. This is really annoying the crap out of me to no extent, and I have no idea what's causing it.

[dosraider]

Do you play the game from CD? Then it's normal that it freezes sometimes, modern CD-Drives spin down and need time to speed up again. The old CD-Drives weren't spinning down.

Try to locate where the game is on CD and copy it to your HD, or download the lemmings game somewhere.

[franpa]

that wont help if it uses CD audio to, if it does then the only way would be to make a image of the CD and mount it in a virtual CD drive.

[dosraider]

that wont help if it uses CD audio to

As it's a compil CD it's doubtfull it uses CD audio, he only can know by trying.

if it does then the only way would be to make a image of the CD and mount it in a virtual CD drive.

"IF" (and that's a big "if") it does he don't need virtual CD drives.
He has simply to mount the games folder as D: CD drive in dosbox and it will work.
-> mount game folder as C
-> mount the same game folder as D cddrive.
done, works with all older dosgames as lemmings.

*Edit
And "IF" the game would really need the CD, you can also mount an ISO in dosbox.
That's one I also sometimes forget, the "IMGMOUNT" in dosbox, works really good in 0.70, and you avoid the spinning up/down on modern drives.
Advantage is that you don't need another program besides dosbox to emulate a CD Drive.

[Mr.Smiley4]

Ok, when I load it in ImgBurn it gives me this:





Notice it says "Disk Not Supported (Multi-Track)" in the bottom left corner. Then when I mount the game files I copied over from the disk as a cd, there's no music at all.

[dosraider]

http://www.snapfiles.com/Freeware/gmm/fwcdburn.html
Scroll down to CDBurnerXP Pro, that supports multi track CDs.
And is freeware.

But before you do that:
Simply copy the whole CD to your HD, in a folder, name it c:\CD or so,
mount line:

mount d c:\cd -t cdrom -ioctl

Dosbox will see the CD folder as your cd drive.
Don't forget to check if they aren't any hidden files/folders on the CD !
And don't forget to mount a C.

[Mr.Smiley4]

http://www.snapfiles.com/Freeware/gmm/fwcdburn.html
Scroll down to CDBurnerXP Pro, that supports multi track CDs.
And is freeware.

But before you do that:
Simply copy the whole CD to your HD, in a folder, name it c:\CD or so,
mount line:

mount d c:\cd -t cdrom -ioctl

Dosbox will see the CD folder as your cd drive.
Don't forget to check if they aren't any hidden files/folders on the CD !
And don't forget to mount a C.

Do I really need to do the "-ioctl"? I've never used it and it's been working great with all the other CD games on DOS Box.

[dosraider]

Just try it.

the ioctl gives low level control access, sometimes games need that , sometimes not.

It will NOT kill our PC.
It will NOT blow up your monitor.
It will NOT erase your HD.
It will NOT kill your cat.
It will NOT suffocate your fishes.

Man, there is a README included in dosbox, if you have some spare time, read it.

[Mr.Smiley4]

Just try it.

the ioctl gives low level control access, sometimes games need that , sometimes not.

It will NOT kill our PC.
It will NOT blow up your monitor.
It will NOT erase your HD.
It will NOT kill your cat.
It will NOT suffocate your fishes.

Man, there is a README included in dosbox, if you have some spare time, read it.

Hey, I'm not THAT inept with computers. On a scale of 1-5 (1 being know nothing and 5 being you know everything about computers) I'd be a 3. Just the more complex stuff I dont know how to do.

EDIT: It looks like there are some hidden files, how do I find them? Because the only reference there being a disk in the drive is the bar at the bottom telling how much space it takes up.

EDIT2: -ioctl doesnt do jack.

[dosraider]

Level 3 you were ?
You can enable to view hidden files and folders in 'options'

Try to locate where the game is on CD and copy it to your HD,......

Have you tried that first?
the original lemmings and ohnomorelemmings was a floppy game, it would amaze me that they have rewritten the game.


Coming to think about it, the originals needed the floppy to be inserted, so maybe you would have to mount that copied games folder as floppy.

And the music was crappy anyway, I thought, if memory doesn't fail, you could disable the music by hitting a "F" key, "F3" I thought.

*Edit
Hmmm another thing I remember now, don't rise the CPU cycles too high in dosbox, Lemmings need a LOW CPU cycles setting.

[Mr.Smiley4]

Ok, that did it. It did go to the next level's music, then it switched over to the current level's music after a second with no freeze. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it very much.

[franpa]

some games like "Settlers 2" require a CD Label as well else it will not detect the CD Audio.

[dosraider]

The problem here was not that the game didn't find the CD or music files,but the freeze times due to the spin up/down by modern CD drives.

And the game is on a compil CD, it would amaze me that it need a label.
If you take a look at the pics he posted you will see the CD is labeled as
AZ_9024 , that's more a serial than a label.

But you are right, some games indeed needs a correct labeled image.
Those are usualy games released originally on CD, not compiled CDs.

[Mr.Smiley4]

It wasnt an issue with spin up/slow down, it was the CPU cycles were too high.

[dosraider]

Heheh.