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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:58 am
by cyb3r.god3
alright this is for intelligent converstaions
to start off, Religion
i know what poeple seem to think but my view on religion is that it is a complete joke made up by god, just for fun
post comments and stuff about this but please intelligently not like "thats gay" or "that makes no sense" but give reasons to why this is

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:59 am
by CPT Worm
Christ is my Homeboy. Err, Lord and Savior.

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:44 pm
by fauvem
[Clears throat & takes a big breath] cyb3r.god3, in your effort for intelligent conversation you have made the mistake of choosing, arguably, the most controversial Subject which would probably result in the posts that you were trying to avoid but irregardless of this fact, I shall take part in this conversation.

Also could you please clarify the topic of religion, its a little vague because religion is a big topic.

In response to your view on religion is this, Although your views on religion are light-hearted compared to others view of the suject, I find that such a belief although perfectly valid would be potentially offensive to many people.

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:56 pm
by Check-Mate
All I can say is: Bad idea. I'm not going to be a part of it.

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:44 pm
by Thunderdog
Jesus was mexican.

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:44 pm
by Wally
Check-Mate wrote:All I can say is: Bad idea. I'm not going to be a part of it.
I second that.

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:50 am
by cyb3r.god3
mr.worm: LAWL
Fauvem: i know its a big subject. i though i typed but i didnt i meant to say ; views on religion. and i know its controversial. it is also very unique and could explain alot. ive told many people this theroy some nod and some scowl me but a belief is a belief.
thunderdog: Jesus was a Terrorist. also quite logical when you think about it

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:47 am

I have a distrust of organised religion. I am atheist, but have been uhhh, i suppose "christian" earlier in life. If i again find God, I know in myself that He will lead me, and that i will not need a church or organisation. He is greater than that.

For clarity; I do not beleive in Him, but acknowledge and respect those who do.

Also, the idea of a built church, or organisation appeals to me for some reasons, but not those relating to communicating with God. I think that the church offers some stability and hope for people in some circumstances, but those that are self-riteous and arrogant, because of it...let down my faith (In organised religion).



Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:56 am
by CPT Worm
Yeah, religion is easy to corrupt, but it does enable people to faith. Faith is the most important thing. You really don't need to be in a religious system to have faith.

And, cyb3r.god3, I wasn't being funny. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I was just mocking people who try to gangsterify the faith.

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:25 pm
by emmzee
Ah, a topic I am actually interested in. B)
cyb3r.god3 wrote:i know what poeple seem to think but my view on religion is that it is a complete joke made up by god, just for fun
Could you clarify this statement? I'm not sure what you mean. You're suggesting that all of the religions were made up by God for His perverse enjoyment? And if so, that while God does exist, all religions are wrong? I suppose that is at least possible. When it comes to religions, all may be wrong, or one may be right, or one may be more right than the others, but can we please not say that "all are right", because that is just nonsense.

Personally, <a href="">my story</a> of why I am now Christian is available on my personal site.
Thunderdog wrote:Jesus was mexican.
He is as much a Mexican as much as you are David Hasselhof. :jester: (BTW, your current avatar is at once revolting and strangely hypnotic)
GAMER wrote:I have a distrust of organised religion. I am atheist, but have been uhhh, i suppose "christian" earlier in life. If i again find God, I know in myself that He will lead me, and that i will not need a church or organisation. He is greater than that.
Hmmm since I'm a Simpsons fan ... I was reminded of this quote, spoken between two islanders, from the episode where Homer is (briefly) a missionary:
Q'Toktok: How many times must we go to church to avoid hell?
Ak: Every Sunday for the rest of our lives.
Q'Toktok: Hahaha ... No, really.

Of course this is ridiculous ... the Church (capital 'C', referring to the fellowship between all Christians) is necessary, but the church (little 'c') is necessary only insofar as it promotes community, teaching, etc.
Mr. Worm wrote:Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I was just mocking people who try to gangsterify the faith.
Heh reminds me of this:
(post on my blog about this very issue awhile back)

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:30 pm
by Larry Laffer
Check-Mate wrote:All I can say is: Bad idea. I'm not going to be a part of it.
And I third that :blah: I don't believe in god...

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:47 pm
by CPT Worm
Heh, emmzee, I posted on your blog. =P

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:49 pm
by Dogbreath
Ha ha, the religion thread. I wonder what kind of monster you have released, Cyb3r. The last time we had one of those, it went 16 pages, and that's 16 pages without ANY OT posts in it, more or less.

Anyway, I've already stated my viewpoints many other places on this forum, so I'll keep it short in this thread, let others do most of the talking. *ahem*

I've always found that other people who believe in God is at once the biggest reason why I don't want to believe in God, and also the biggest reason why I do. Why?

I'm not going to sugarcoat some of the terrible things that have happened in the past. Nor will I claim that all the terrible things done by the Church throughout history was done by people who "weren't really Christians", because many of the people who, say, participated in the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition *were* devout, and possibly even well meaning. I've seen religious people do quite evil things, including myself.

I've come to understand that, Christianity, or *any* religion for that matter, is made up of human beings. And like any organization of human beings, it's fallible. Humans, by nature, are prone to lies and jealousy and murder and theft and betrayal, and just belonging to a group doesn't change that.

But, another thing I've seen, is that for one evil thing the church has done, I've seen 10,000 good things. And while I've been shunned from church groups before (mostly preppy youth groups, where they care more about looking good than Jesus), right now I know few greater joys in my life than being in fellowship with other Christians. Honestly, I absolutely love meeting with brothers and sisters in Christ (and many of them I know like brothers and sisters, that's how deep the bond is) to pray, to study the bible, or just to enjoy a good meal and a good evening with.

For example, right now, every saturday night after church, me and a group of people (more or less random, though a couple of the "regulars" every time) meet at one of our houses and share a communal meal, which we buy and cook together. It's really incredible to see Christ draw people together who would otherwise never dream of sitting in the same room with eachother.

Also, I volunteer at a homeless organization run by a church, and I've never seen a group of people donate more time and money to helping the sick, poor, bereaved, and marginalized than the Christian Church. Seriously, this organization has so much food and clothes donated to it by churches that it has to turn down most offers, because there's so much.

So yeah, that's why I'm a Christian, more or less. Of course, there's the massive issue about why I believe in God as well... but this thread isn't about God, is it? ;) Maybe another day. Suffice to say that Jesus Christ is my Lord, God, and Savior, and that through his birth, the example and teaching of his perfect life, his death, burial, and resurection I am both saved from sin, and given the gift of a full and meaningful life here in his Kingdom, and an eternal life after this.

And for people like Gamer, who respect the church but don't really want a part in it, I also respect you, and understand your distrust of religion and by no means intend to condemn you. I do hope and pray you'll be able to find a community where you can fit, though, and hope you already have. :)

To people who make fun of religion, or think all religious people are ignorant: I pity your lack of understanding, but maybe you have a good reason to feel how you do. Maybe this post will be a small part of changing your mind on the issue.

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:01 pm
by Check-Mate
Larry Laffer wrote:
Check-Mate wrote:All I can say is: Bad idea. I'm not going to be a part of it.
And I third that :blah: I don't believe in god...
(I said I wasn't going to be a part of this, and I'm not. I'm just going to clarify that I'm not going to be a part of it because it's the dumbest, most controversial, emotion-rising topic you could ever choose to discuss....
However, I am VERY religious, and I strongly believe in God.)

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:59 am
by cyb3r.god3
my clarification
think about it. you have this almighty being just sitting watching what he created. several billion years and youd think youd get bored of it so i belive jusys was sent to set up cristianity so that at the end of time god comes and say "HA". my earlier theroey of this is that life is god's "the sims". there are also many unexplained things that can relate to that god has a good sense of humour. the anatamoy of humans for example and that fact that thing that are healthy seem to taste quite terrible and junk tastes great.

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:17 am
by CPT Worm
What makes you think that God gets bored?

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:46 pm

I laughed so much when Doggy said, "I've come to understand that religion is made of people." Haha. Well done. :P

Yeah, total agreeance - religion is what it's people make it.

You know what is interesting though, on the subject of religion? I've often explained my stance on faith and the Church to devout followers, and explained that i live my life by Christian rule (ie, love thy neighbour and what-not) and then asked if God would forgive me for not believing, so that I might go on to Heaven...or Eternal Life if you are a Christadelphian...and often times, well *most* times, they say, "no". I find it difficult to beleive that God would condemn me for living riteously but not believing in him, though forgive a man with a life of sin that did believe in him. If that is the case, and a Christian MURDERER will go on to heaven...I think i'd rather go to hell with those that were riteous, but didn't believe.


Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:27 pm
by emmzee
GAMER, this is something I've wrestled with too. Here's what the New Testament says about it. (Quoting it doesn't <i>prove</i> it's right, I'm just quoting it to show that this is really what the Bible says!) Sorry for the long-winded post but I don't want to give a half-hearted explanation of what may be <i>the</i> important issue.

So, first, everyone sins: <i>"all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"</i> (Romans 3:23), or verse 10: <i>"There is no one righteous, not even one"</i> We know empirically that this is true; while we all (well, most people) try to be 'good', none of us are perfectly good even though we could in theory choose to be, and therefore "fall short of the glory of God". Note that this includes both the Christians who think they're righteous, and those few who actually seem to be that way! Saint Paul (the author of the book of Romans) even calls himself "the worst of sinners" (1 Timothy 1:16)!

Well that kinda sucks! By that definition, no one is worthy of Heaven! (Heaven being eternal fellowship with God and others)

But if we keep reading the book of Romans ... verse 24 continues this way: <i>"Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins."</i> How did God do this? <i>"God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners"</i> (Romans 5:8)

Because God loves the world He gives us a gift; the gift of grace. Now, pay close attention to this point since this is different from every other religion. All other religions are based on "works". Pray enough, be nice enough, etc and maybe, just maybe, you'll be rewarded. How nice? How much prayer? Who knows; you'll never be quite sure if you've done enough <i>whatever</i> to earn your way in. And regardless of what kind of standards a religion sets up, every single single person always fails to keep them!

<b>But Jesus didn't preach righteousness by works ... the uniqueness of Christianity is grace</b>: <i>"It is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works"</i> (Eph 2:8,9) Good works are <u>not</u> necessary to be saved; they will however be the natural result from a person who's heart has been transformed by accepting God's gift. Jesus was once asked what is the most important law. He replied <i>"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment."</i> (Matthew 22:37)

Jesus also tells us how to begin this sort of personal relationship: <i>"Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him"</i> (Rev 3:20) God is personal, so to say 'God? Oh yea, I heard about him once.' doesn't quite get there; to personally and experience God's plan and work in our lives is something that can be done after accepting God's offer of grace.

Hopefully that makes sense ... ? :angel:

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:54 am
by Wally
oh emmzee that episode im looking for, gimme gimme.. Its called "Missionary Impossible"

Wally, come on now.

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:01 pm
by cyb3r.god3
once i see bible quotes i tune out