DOS Games Discussion

[cyb3r.god3]

alright this is for intelligent converstaions
to start off, Religion
i know what poeple seem to think but my view on religion is that it is a complete joke made up by god, just for fun
post comments and stuff about this but please intelligently not like "thats gay" or "that makes no sense" but give reasons to why this is

[2LT Worm]

Christ is my Homeboy. Err, Lord and Savior.

[fauvem]

[Clears throat & takes a big breath] cyb3r.god3, in your effort for intelligent conversation you have made the mistake of choosing, arguably, the most controversial Subject which would probably result in the posts that you were trying to avoid but irregardless of this fact, I shall take part in this conversation.

Also could you please clarify the topic of religion, its a little vague because religion is a big topic.

In response to your view on religion is this, Although your views on religion are light-hearted compared to others view of the suject, I find that such a belief although perfectly valid would be potentially offensive to many people.

[Check-Mate]

All I can say is: Bad idea. I'm not going to be a part of it.

[Thunderdog]

Jesus was mexican.

[Wally]

[cyb3r.god3]

mr.worm: LAWL
Fauvem: i know its a big subject. i though i typed but i didnt i meant to say ; views on religion. and i know its controversial. it is also very unique and could explain alot. ive told many people this theroy some nod and some scowl me but a belief is a belief.
thunderdog: Jesus was a Terrorist. also quite logical when you think about it

[GAMER]

Risky.

I have a distrust of organised religion. I am atheist, but have been uhhh, i suppose "christian" earlier in life. If i again find God, I know in myself that He will lead me, and that i will not need a church or organisation. He is greater than that.

For clarity; I do not beleive in Him, but acknowledge and respect those who do.

Also, the idea of a built church, or organisation appeals to me for some reasons, but not those relating to communicating with God. I think that the church offers some stability and hope for people in some circumstances, but those that are self-riteous and arrogant, because of it...let down my faith (In organised religion).

Yes.

GAMER

[2LT Worm]

Yeah, religion is easy to corrupt, but it does enable people to faith. Faith is the most important thing. You really don't need to be in a religious system to have faith.

And, cyb3r.god3, I wasn't being funny. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I was just mocking people who try to gangsterify the faith.

[emmzee]

Ah, a topic I am actually interested in.

[Larry Laffer]

[2LT Worm]

Heh, emmzee, I posted on your blog. =P

[Dogbreath]

Ha ha, the religion thread. I wonder what kind of monster you have released, Cyb3r. The last time we had one of those, it went 16 pages, and that's 16 pages without ANY OT posts in it, more or less.

Anyway, I've already stated my viewpoints many other places on this forum, so I'll keep it short in this thread, let others do most of the talking. *ahem*

I've always found that other people who believe in God is at once the biggest reason why I don't want to believe in God, and also the biggest reason why I do. Why?

I'm not going to sugarcoat some of the terrible things that have happened in the past. Nor will I claim that all the terrible things done by the Church throughout history was done by people who "weren't really Christians", because many of the people who, say, participated in the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition *were* devout, and possibly even well meaning. I've seen religious people do quite evil things, including myself.

I've come to understand that, Christianity, or *any* religion for that matter, is made up of human beings. And like any organization of human beings, it's fallible. Humans, by nature, are prone to lies and jealousy and murder and theft and betrayal, and just belonging to a group doesn't change that.

But, another thing I've seen, is that for one evil thing the church has done, I've seen 10,000 good things. And while I've been shunned from church groups before (mostly preppy youth groups, where they care more about looking good than Jesus), right now I know few greater joys in my life than being in fellowship with other Christians. Honestly, I absolutely love meeting with brothers and sisters in Christ (and many of them I know like brothers and sisters, that's how deep the bond is) to pray, to study the bible, or just to enjoy a good meal and a good evening with.

For example, right now, every saturday night after church, me and a group of people (more or less random, though a couple of the "regulars" every time) meet at one of our houses and share a communal meal, which we buy and cook together. It's really incredible to see Christ draw people together who would otherwise never dream of sitting in the same room with eachother.

Also, I volunteer at a homeless organization run by a church, and I've never seen a group of people donate more time and money to helping the sick, poor, bereaved, and marginalized than the Christian Church. Seriously, this organization has so much food and clothes donated to it by churches that it has to turn down most offers, because there's so much.

So yeah, that's why I'm a Christian, more or less. Of course, there's the massive issue about why I believe in God as well... but this thread isn't about God, is it? Maybe another day. Suffice to say that Jesus Christ is my Lord, God, and Savior, and that through his birth, the example and teaching of his perfect life, his death, burial, and resurection I am both saved from sin, and given the gift of a full and meaningful life here in his Kingdom, and an eternal life after this.

And for people like Gamer, who respect the church but don't really want a part in it, I also respect you, and understand your distrust of religion and by no means intend to condemn you. I do hope and pray you'll be able to find a community where you can fit, though, and hope you already have.

To people who make fun of religion, or think all religious people are ignorant: I pity your lack of understanding, but maybe you have a good reason to feel how you do. Maybe this post will be a small part of changing your mind on the issue.

[Check-Mate]

[cyb3r.god3]

my clarification
think about it. you have this almighty being just sitting watching what he created. several billion years and youd think youd get bored of it so i belive jusys was sent to set up cristianity so that at the end of time god comes and say "HA". my earlier theroey of this is that life is god's "the sims". there are also many unexplained things that can relate to that god has a good sense of humour. the anatamoy of humans for example and that fact that thing that are healthy seem to taste quite terrible and junk tastes great.