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Larry Laffer
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Ha-h...
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dosraider
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Me and myself are extremely suspicious regarding statistics.
[rant modus on]
Something as:
Most people die in bed, so you d'better never go to sleep in a bed.
Even if the statistics you point at (not the first time they are mentioned) are probably coloured by the anti-war adepts, I can only say that as most West-Europeans I look at the US civilization with disbelief.
What a nutcases!
Fire arms all around, even the greatest retard can buy weapons there, and not some light ones, no , full automatic heavy weaponry with the according ammo.
They show a -(was nothing to see there)- half naked breast on telly and hell breaks loose, but it's also the country with the most nude pole dancing clubs, topless ones, street hookers,n pron industry..... and so on.... and on ...
[rant full stop]
I gonna stop here, they're all nuts there. |
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Larry Laffer
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:44 am
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| dosraider wrote: | | it's also the country with the most nude pole dancing clubs, topless ones, street hookers,n pron industry..... and so on.... and on ... |
Really? I always thought that was Germany... but then again the US is almost 30 times(sez Wikipedia) larger than it. Owell...  |
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Dogbreath
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Gamer: Those statistics are most likely accurate, the Army is (ironically) one of the safest careers available. You're physically fit, on a controlled diet, and have excellent medical care, so there's very little risk of health problems. You're almost always being transported on planes or armored vehicles, so no fatal auto accidents. (In the U.S., ~50,000 die each year on the road) Not too much that's likely to kill you, except for terrorists.
hang on, I'll be right back...
*Sounds of gunfire, screams, and carnage as Dogbreath steps outside with his Avtomat Kalashnikova (47) and starts gunning down pedestrians. A grenade detonates somewhere, and helicopters blades beat overhead.*
Yep, it's pretty much a warzone here with all us crazy Americans... just feel lucky that you'll never have to, you know, actually visit the country and see what it's like first hand. Much better to find out about it on the internet.
Damn it! My neighbour just brought out a howitzer! Time to cap that mofo...
*Sounds of massacre continue* |
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dosraider
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| My point is proven, you're all nuts. |
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GAMER
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I'm glad there are not many guns in Australia.
What are your thoughts on "the right to bear arms" ?
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Larry Laffer
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Well, as long as you only have two of them, one on each side of your body, well socketed in the shoulders, I see no problem!  |
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dosraider
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| GAMER wrote: | | What are your thoughts on "the right to bear arms"? |
I kinda like the laws about that point here.
Not so easy to be allowed to buy a weapon, you need a registration from the local police officer, and a lot of other papers.
You can get a license for 'sport' weapons, but it's not that easy to obtain the license.
Hunting guns the same, strict regulation, no automatics.
There also exists a license for self-defence weapons, so that you may carry one in a holster, but it's hard to obtain one, and it's really easy to lose it again.
Automatic -(war/army)- rifles or heavy stuff? Forget it. |
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Dogbreath
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| GAMER wrote: | I'm glad there are not many guns in Australia.
What are your thoughts on "the right to bear arms" ?
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I do occasionally, when I go sleeveless, but that's usually only during the hottest part of the summer. Forearms I bear all the time.
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jk, jk. It's alright here... to buy a gun, you have to be a U.S. citizen, and obtain a license. That means $100 fee, an interview with a police officer, and a criminal background check. You can't be a felon, drug user, insane, or be engaged in any "suspicious activity." At this point, you can go to the store and buy handguns, hunting rifles, shotguns, and sporting rifles. (Semi-auto assault rifles)
If you want to actually use that hunting rifle, you have to take a week long hunting safety class from the DNR, and pass a test.
Contrary to what most Europeans think, you CANNOT buy grenades, automatic rifles, or any kind of explosives here, unless you're a member of the U.S. armed forces or have a special permit which is very hard to obtain. (You have to have a very good reason, like shooting a movie or doing gun shows or something, and they check up on you)
The problem in the U.S. isn't legal gun ownership - that accounts for very little crime, except for the occasional husband walking in on his wife with another guy kind of situation. The problem is the HUGE firearms black market. In the 1990s, there were literally millions of automatic and heavy weaponry smuggled into the country from former Soviet countries. Hell, I used to own a Hungarian FEG assault rifle. That, along with countless old guns, stolen guns, and guns smuggled in from Mexico account for most of the gun crime in the U.S. You can buy an AK-47 on the street for $400, it's ridiculous.
So yeah, I'm not really for or against it, but gun ownership has been a part of American culture since the western US was tamed in the 1870s, so if one day the government tried to take away the guns, you'd have a LOT of government workers full of bullet holes on your hands. Nobody wants to be the one to start the process. |
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GAMER
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| Dogbreath wrote: |
If you want to actually use that hunting rifle, you have to take a week long hunting safety class from the DNR, and pass a test.
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If people have a gun, they won't use it without this test?
Can anyone find me a statistic on deaths related to LEGALLY owned guns in U.S.?
Not bagging out U.S. or anything...I'm just interested.
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Dogbreath
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link Apparently, Suicide accounts for most gun violence. One study I saw said that 80% of gun deaths in Canada were suicides.
I can't find direct statistics for legal vs. nonlegal gun deaths in the U.S... I'm sure I can find it in my university library, but I'm too lazy/tired to spend 2 hours researching right now. Sorry.
Note that of the 81 killed daily, only 5 of those are by the police, despite the police being the most heavily armed civilian group in the U.S. This is probably due to good training and "shoot to disable, not kill" mentality.
Edit: did find this. # of gun deaths per 100,000 for each of the 36 richest countries.
United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
Notice that most of the countries towards the top of the list (US, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, France) are countries with very large populations, and a lot of civil unrest due to migration, immigration, and ethnic gang activity. Dunno why Finland is so high... lot of drunk people mistaking their neighbors for reindeer?
Many of those countries (especially former USSR and Latin America) actually surpass the U.S. for total murders, they just do it with knives, poison, swords, clubs, pitchforks whatever. For example, see Israel. They have an enormously high murder rate, but it's all done with explosives... |
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Larry Laffer
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| Dogbreath wrote: | Contrary to what most Europeans think, you CANNOT buy grenades, automatic rifles, or any kind of explosives here, unless you're a member of the U.S. armed forces or have a special permit which is very hard to obtain. (You have to have a very good reason, like shooting a movie or doing gun shows or something, and they check up on you)
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Cool, Wormie, d'ya think you could mail me a box or two filled with frag' grenades?
And maybe 100g worth of C4? |
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dosraider
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| Dogbreath wrote: | | Dunno why Finland is so high... lot of drunk people mistaking their neighbors for reindeer? |
BTW Larry, 99% of the weaps here on the black market comes from Eastern Europ, so I think that in .ru you can easily find what you need. |
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Larry Laffer
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| Yea, but I want to get those legally! |
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dosraider
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http://www.impactguns.com/store/ak47.html
No problemo.
Or simply take a trip to Congo, or any African country, Palestine, Lebanon, ........ -plenty more- ..... you can grab all that you want there.
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